pssommer
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Why did Jesus Come For? - 2007/01/10 02:37
Thiago, I can surely understand your frustration towards people who believe in eternal security.
First of all we, from TGP teach and believe this subject for we know that the law could not perfect anyone. This we see clearly in many verses (take for example Hb 10:1) that as the law did not help us to become any better, it just set the standard of God who is perfect and this standard was fulfilled once and for all in Jesus who now lives in me (see Gal 2:20 – refers to being possessed by Christ btw).
Okay to argue now that someone once being in Christ (II Cor 5:17) is not completely secure makes us think that there is something we can do that would make us lose this security we gained not by ourselves, but by Christ alone.
“Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, [u]that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”[/u]
I believe this verse (like all the others you may site) does not reflect the reality of salvation. See “they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”… Do we really believe that Kingdom of God = Heaven?? If we do, then I must say we are all doomed. We believe that the Kingdom of God is not a place we are going to when we die (or do you understand it like that??); we believe that the Kingdom of God starts when Christ takes out our old life and exchanges it for new. It is within, not without.
Like PAW said we see these verses not as an assertion of: “you better not, else…” but we see it like “you will not, because…” and I can hardly believe that if the apostle Paul was referring himself to salvation, it would stand as a complete contrary to what we believe the book of Galatians (the freedom/security letter) to be. How can he start (Gal 2:16) the book affirming that we are justified by grace through faith and conclude his thoughts with conditional statements? To me, it does not make any sense.
To elude this I would fairly ask you these questions:
Do you believe that a Christian can lose his secure position?
If he does, how? By sinning? By fulfilling the works of the flesh (don’t we all sometimes??)
Is there any Christian who can say he hasn’t fulfilled any of those? Wouldn’t we all be not inheriting the Kingdom of God? Is there any other way?
If we had the law, why did Jesus come for? Is there any part of us in the plan of salvation? Is yes, what part?
PEACE!
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Mandy
